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Becoming a DevOps Engineer With No Experience and No Degree With Logan Tran (S6E13)

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“DevOps” is one of those terms in tech that mystifies a lot of people.

While the term itself is a straightforward mashup of “Development” and “Operations,” the definition isn’t as transparent. Ask ten different people what DevOps is, and you’ll get ten different answers.

Logan TranLogan Tran is here to help explain why this is and demystify the field a little. Coming from the music industry, Logan made his tech transition about five and a half years ago. He began by self-teaching and building his own projects. Through a connection, he got an interview at Apple for a quality assurance job, and landed the role. Two-and-a-half years later, he’d learned enough to get a job as a junior software engineer at Venmo.

Then, Logan was introduced to DevOps through his work and decided to pursue the specialty. Now, he’s in his third DevOps Engineer role at NextCapital. Needless to say, it’s a field he’s happy to have discovered.


In today’s episode, Logan talks about what being a DevOps engineer entails—from the culture to the technology to the job market—plus how he went from the music industry to tech without a college degree, why working remotely isn’t all beaches & sunshine, advice on deciding between self-teaching or traditional education, and more.

Key takeaways:

  • When you’re starting out in tech with an entry-level job, it might not be the most exciting. However, even if you’re on the bottom rung, it’s great to surround yourself with others who are passionate about technology, so you can inspire and encourage each other.
  • Every job has a learning curve, so don’t worry if you don’t know all of the technical aspects you might need right away. In most tech jobs, they’ll train you on the skills you need. Thus, when it comes to your interview, make sure you focus on your other skills like problem solving and communication.
  • Having friends in different areas and industries can really help get your foot in the door, as proven by Logan on his path to becoming a DevOps engineer. If you want to get into a specific field and you know someone who works in it already, they might be able to introduce you to the company, or even help you get an interview.
  • If you’re wondering which method is best for learning new tech skills, it all depends on your learning style, so you need to figure out how you work best. Some prefer to be self-taught, while others struggle with that and excel in a more traditional teaching environment.

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